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#1 cayugad

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 06:15 PM

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I finally found the Thompson Center 1X 32mm scope on sale and decided since that is the only legal scope in Wisconsin's muzzleloader season I would get one. I want to see if it will increase the accuracy of the rifle actually.

I had my friend the gunsmith mount and bore sight it, and tomorrow we will see how the White Ultra Mag likes the new hat. I think it looks pretty nice. I can change over to the Nikon Pro Staff for the modern season and still have this for the muzzleloader season.
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 06:22 PM

Looks good Im going to add one to mine this summer and get it ready for deer season this fall cant wait but in Ohio we are not confined to what we can have on it so thinking about a nice adjustable so I can get out a ways
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 07:34 PM

Cayugad why is that scope the only legal one in Wis???
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 07:55 PM

Cayugad why is that scope the only legal one in Wis???


Wisconsin Muzzleloaders laws were made to be basically fair to all rifles whether inline or traditional. Since you can only shoot as far as you can see, they decided that you can use any kind of sight you like but no magnification in the scopes.

So during modern rifle season the rifle will wear a 2-7x32mm Nikon and during Muzzleloading season it will have the 1X scope. All a 1X scope is IMO is a fancy aiming device.

I used to shoot peep sights but really had problems in low light conditions. Fiber optics work fine, but I do not consider them as fine a sight as I like. The old iron sights are great, but anyone that used them in late afternoon in the shadows of a marsh thicket know they can be a little hard to line up. So I thought this might be the answer.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:31 PM

Hope it works good for you bud. Nice looking set up. :bigthumb:

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:44 PM

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I took the new scope out today on the White Ultra Mag. I was told to start at 25 yards and it should be close, according to my friend the gunsmith who mounted it. Well On a clean barrel it shot over four inches low. I then wondered if perhaps the clean barrel was the cause so I fired again and it moved up an inch.

I then made my first adjustment and fired two rounds to check it again. There was not swabbing done during this time. The first adjustment had gained me about two inches so I made another adjustment.

The next two shots were only an inch difference. While I was happy with the group, I was not with the location since I was trying to get the rifle set to 70 yards. So another adjustment was made.

The next two were about where I wanted them until I could do the fine tuning. I then shot at the bottom corner bulls to see if I could poke the eye out of them. I just lay the cross hair right under the dot and squeezed off. Not to bad.

I then had some Pyrodex P out on the bench so I swabbed the rifle and shot at the top corners of the target. I really wonder if a White rifle should ever be swabbed. Once fowled, it put them in the right places as well.


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I then put a new target on. I backed up to 35 yards according to my range finder. I then fired five shots holding dead on the center bull. I was more then pleased with the group and the location. According to the ballistics table it was supposed to be .97 of an inch high. So it looks like it is all on target so far.

Then I tried to poke the eyes out of the corner bulls. I fired three shots at the first one and had a flier of course. The other corners were pretty good.

My impressions of the scope is, while there is no magnification it does make a heck of a aiming device. There is no more wonder if the fiber optic sights are in the right place, the right left and right, or etc. I just was shooting off a single bag rest, like I would out of a hunting blind. I was more then happy with the results. The scope is nice and clean, the cross hairs not too thick and easy to pick out. The eye relief of this scope is excellent. I was never concerned with a scope kiss from this one. It also cleaned up real nice and easy with the removable rings.

Once the bench rest melts out of the ice and snow I will move it back further and see how it does all the way out to 100 yards.
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Posted 22 March 2007 - 08:09 PM

Wow!-watch out!! I see a happy muzzy hunter :yes: . Looks like you're ready to roll.......

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:04 PM

Sweet scope!

I have been looking for a 1x as well.

Nebraska only allows it. BTW Iowa and Wyoming could care less on your scope. :)

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 09:09 PM

I want to shoot at 50 yards tomorrow. Then once I can move the bench I can get back even further.. So we will see how it holds up. It would sure be sweet to have a nice accurate 125 yards rifle for the Wisconsin season even though my shots are seldom over 50. Last year was a fluke at 52 yards.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:18 AM

Now that is some impressive shooting. I always have ascribed to the theory that you can only shoot what you can see. A scope even if it is no magnification takes care of all the other fuzzy options. Sure wish PA would allow us to use one. They are in the midst of taking a step in that direction by considering to allow peep sights this year. That move has only taken since the mid 70's so it will be a loooong wait till scopes will be considered.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:45 AM

Well I was thinking of going to a Lyman 57SMET target peep sight and then get a + globe front sight. So basically you sighted through the peep made the cross hair with the front sight, and did basically the same thing a 1X scope would do. The reason I did not go that route is, I have peep sights on other rifles. While they are accurate, they also have some bad light habits in low late afternoon light. I have a hard time picking them up you might say. So I went this route and am hoping to have a 125 yard rifle is all. Then the conical can do the rest.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 02:50 PM

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50 yard station today off a single bag rest.

I took the White Ultra Mag out today again. The Thompson Center 1X scope on it was all set to work the 50 yard line. I started on a clean barrel. The load was 70 grains of Triple Se7en 3f powder, no wad, and a 500 grain Bullshop conical. I did swab one time during this shooting because I could feel a crud ring forming in the breech. Not something serious, but I wanted to keep the testing fair.

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The left hand side of the picture shows where the first shot hit. As usual, on a clean barrel the rifle shoots low. Which is one reason I fowl the barrel before hunting. The RED ARROW indicated a hole from yesterdays shooting so I could not claim that one. I held dead on the center red bull and shot a five shot group. I was not surprised that the bullets hit where they did. After all the rifle is supposed to be sighted in at 70 yards, so we have not started coming down with the rainbow trajectory of the conicals yet.

I then used the very bottom of the RED BULL as my aim point and shot another five shot group. As you can see, I had one flier out of the five shot group. Other then that they were in the bull. I was happy. The other four were right where the first shot hit the bull basically. I was pleased with the four shot's tightness. I only wish I had not had that flier, or it would have been a most impressive group overall.

So to prove that this was not a fluke...

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I then shot a number of conicals holding on the bottom of the BULL and shot the following group with swabbing now. Now I labeled it as a ten shot but I might be more inclined to believe, counting the original five holes, it was a twelve shot group, counting the number of missing Bullshop conicals in the box. But I was not about to complain with a group like that at 50 yards even if I called it 10.

The 1X scope does provide an excellent aim point. But it really does not make seeing into the dark bullet trap any easier. It will make the Wisconsin Muzzleloader season interesting though. I am looking forward to seeing what it will do at the longer ranges.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 03:06 PM

Cayugad in my opinion even though you have no magnification you still have all the benefits of the scope. As I see it, the main benefit of a scope is you have only to line up one thing, the cross hairs. No need to line up a rear sight and front sight to get a proper sight picture. I know my old eyes have quite a time doing the open sight or even peep sight thing. I have gone to a peep sight as you can much easier line up a front sight with a fuzzy hole on a fuzzy target than a fuzzy rear notch. Infact I find myself when using strictly open sights fixing my vision on the rear sight more often than not. At least with the peep I can better focus through the rear sight.

Also with even a 1 power scope the crosshairs and the target are in focus for you.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 03:45 PM

I was having the same problems. I'd look down the fiber optices and watch the front sight float right and left in the rear sight. Well you are not going to get accurate that way. Also with a peep, while they work great, the things in late afternoon about gave me fits. So this was just another option I thought I would look into. It seems it is going to be real accurate which is the main thing. But you're right, it really does not increase your vision ability. Just as a aiming point.
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