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#1 Spirithawk

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:36 PM

Ok guys, I just had an interesting situation that I'm curious about. While at Wal Mart, I noticed they got a shipment of ammo in and had .32 autos which I needed. Soooo, I asked for a box. The guy looks at me and asks if I'm carrying a fiream at the moment. I saw no reason to lie so I said, " Yes, I have a Concealed Carry Permit and I'm carrying." He looked at me funny and then tells me I can't buy ammo as long as I have a firearm on me. Then he starts looking me all over trying to figure out where I had it and looked puzzled when he couldn't figure it out. Now, with all the stuff I've gone over, I never heard that. Anyways, I told him no problem I'll take my weapons, the word weapons in plural really freaked him, out to the car and lock them in the glove box. Then he tells me, " You can't carry in Wal Mart anyways." Well that did it! I exsplained to him that 1) I never had to tell him I was carrying in the first place and 2) I was perfectly legal. I went out to the car and when I came back he had a sheepish look on his face. As I knew he would, he had gone and talked to the manager. The manager told him just what I had and hopefully straightened him out! It seems what had the old guy spooked was that yesterday a guy walked in carrying in plain sight. I told the fellow that, unless the man was law enforcement, then yes he was in the wrong. Then the old gentleman wanted to know all about the Concealed Carry Permit and how could he get one. Posted Image He was a nice old guy but seriously over zealous about doing his job. He even goes as far, when selling ammo, to ask if the person buying had been fired lately, been drinking today, going through personal problems, ect. Surprised people haven't complained to the manager. But anyways, the situation leaves me wondering? Is it illegal to buy ammo while carrying? I've never ran accross anything concerning the issue. If so, it seems kinda ignorant to me because of course your firearm is already loaded.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:46 PM

Different laws in different states... So, I can't say for sure.

For example, in PA it is actually legal to open carry most places. It is extremely rare to see and has caused confusion a time or two as a result. (You may see something on the news a couple times a year.) But, by law I could actually carry my Glock in a hip holster into Lowe's right now if I chose to do so. (Of course, in this day and age I don't care to do so. :doh2: )

I've never heard you can't purchase ammo while carrying concealed. Here they won't generally let you purchase ammo at the time you purchase a firearm. But, your situation is a new one on me. :lol:

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:02 PM

I think the guy was making stuff up as he went along and just had an over inflated issue of self importance. To find out for sure though I just emailed the fellow that taught my course to get my permit. He was very involved in getting both the Castle Law and the Right to Carry passed in Missouri. I figure if anyone will know he will. As to " open carry " You can here in Missouri too. But like everywhere, the problems come in with various munincipalities with each having their own sets of rules! It's very easy too to pass from one into another without even realising it and thus ending up in serious trouble. I'll let you all know what I find out about buying ammo. I think if the guy was right though that the subject would have been covered both in the course and the Concealed Carry book issued by the Highway Patrol. But, if it should ever happen again I'm just going to tell them no I'm not carrying and take it from there.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:53 PM

I can tell you that Walmarts policy on firearms is to abide by local law. If open carry is allowed in that county, city, and state than walmart has no problem with it. Corporate policy. Here in KY our constitution state that the legislators have the power to pass laws concerning concealed carry. We also have a law forbidding counties and cities from passing laws that are more restrictive than state and federal law. I do open carry some not a lot but some. If I am out there is a 45ACP somewhere on me. I have loaned the 45ACP out and then had to carry the SuperBlackHawk 44 or the Blackhawk 45LC.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:55 PM

I live in Texas and do have my CHL. While I will not swear to it, I do not believe there is any law in Texas that says that you can not purchase ammunition while carrying. I have run into one fellow at Academy that was kind of like the person at Walmart that you described. In Texas, if you have a CHL, you can purchase a firearm without the dealer calling it in. You have to complete the paper work, and it goes on file at the dealer. Well, I was going to purchase a handgun. I show the guy my CHL and complete the paperwork. He tells me he has to call it in. I explain to him that he is not required and that I have purchased several guns without it being called in. He said it was the law. Another clerk explained to him that since I have a CHL, they did not need to call it in. The guy goes to do it anyway. I told him that I would not purchase the gun if he insisted on my waiting around when it was not required. He was determined to do it. So, I said forget it, give my license back and mark the form as a "NO SALE". And, I left. He lost a sale. I did tell him that he needs to brush up on the law. So, there are some over zealous people out there. :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 12:10 AM

Well guys, just as I suspected, there is no such law. I think the next time I go into Wal Mart I'll be having a little talk with the manager. If nothing else he should be made fully aware of this employee's actions.

Edited by Spirithawk, 28 February 2010 - 12:11 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:18 AM

A buddy of mine bought a .22 bolt action from wal-mart a while back. He figured he could just put it in his cart and finish buying a few other things. Instead the manager came out after the sale was complete and insisted on escorting him to his car. My buddy said he felt like they were treating him as a terrorist. He is a clean-cut, respectable looking guy so no profiling was done. They apparently just think all guns are for commiting evil acts and the people that buy them must be bad.

When I'm old and retired, provided the laws are the same, I'm going to open carry everywhere just to prove a point. In Ohio, open carry is legal for everyone without any permit or license. Even in places that have "no concealed firearms" posters, open carry is legal when not specifically forbidden. It'll cause alot of trouble for me, but people need to be less ignorant.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:02 AM

llinois is woking on a conceled carry law now. In a way iI can see the WalMart employees concerns, although if hes working in that dept. one would think he would be fully aware of state laws and company policies. Recently one of our local ag stores was held hostage by a guy. Im sure you saw it on the news. I would guess if we had a conceled carry law that he would have givin it a second thought. Now, ya cant take any large bags into those stores purses included and if ya do thet are subject to search.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:13 AM

I have posted this before, http://www.handgunlaw.us/ , it would be useful to get it pinned I think. Like Jeremiah said, different states have different laws. In Minnesota, Land of the Liberal Democrats, it amazes me that we can even get a permit. Buying bullets while carrying is no problem here, and having the permit allows me to purchase handguns with no waiting period. I think only 1 state actually requires you to carry concealed, I think it is in the southeast, otherwise, open carry is allowed in some form in the other states

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:55 AM

As to the fellow carrying the rifle in his shopping cart after just buying it I think common sense should come into play. Of course, if the rifle was not in a box, I can understand other customers being a bit nervous seeing a guy wheeling around a rifle. But, if it was in the box, then I feel he had every right to do so. At the same time, common courtesy, should dictate that you if you buy a rifle or shotgun at someplace like Wally World that you do take it on out to your vehicle just so you don't make other customers nervous. Personaly, if I saw the firearm box with a sales tag attatched where it could be obviously seen, I wouldn't give it a whole lot of concern. I would however be just a touch more alert to the fact that the person has it.

As to open carry, I feel it is our right. Also, as I said, it is legal here in Missouri.....as a general rule. But, for instance here in Branson, there's a city ordinance against it. Same in the majority of cities, towns and municipalities, so the problem with open carry is having to know who allows what and where. That's ok if you only open carry in one general area that you're familiar with, but travel any and it's way easy to find yourself in trouble. Then too, you'd best be willing to subject yourself to harrassment from missguided people that either don't know, or don't care, what the law is.

I feel a store has the right to their own policies, just as I have the right to shop elsewhere! What severely iritated me was that the salesman tried to convince me it was state law that I couldn't buy ammo while carrying. Nothing was mentioned about store policy. He also tried to convince me I couldn't carry in Wal Mart because they sell liquer. Again, not store policy, but his version of the law. Well, THE MISSOURI LAW, states that you can't carry in any place that gets more than 52% of their sales from the selling of alcohol. I doubt that applies to Wally World. Even that law doesn't apply to bars if you have the owner's permission. In short, all this just goes to show that a person needs to be well versed in what the laws are. Any info I find I'm printing out and adding to the Highway Patrol's book on Concealed Carry that I carry in the glove compartment of my vehicle. Jason has told me many times that you'd be surprised how many police officers aren't even familiar with Concealed Carry Laws.

We all are painfully aware that we live in times where security is a constant issue. But statistics prove that out of all people with concealed carry permits only 2% ever get involved in crimes voiding their permits. Also, where Concealed Carry is aproved crime stats start dropping almost imediately! To be honest, I don't just think permit carriers need to educate themselves on stats and laws, I think non carriers need to too!
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:22 AM

We can't open carry in Texas.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:34 AM

A buddy of mine bought a .22 bolt action from wal-mart a while back. He figured he could just put it in his cart and finish buying a few other things. Instead the manager came out after the sale was complete and insisted on escorting him to his car. My buddy said he felt like they were treating him as a terrorist. He is a clean-cut, respectable looking guy so no profiling was done. They apparently just think all guns are for commiting evil acts and the people that buy them must be bad.

When I'm old and retired, provided the laws are the same, I'm going to open carry everywhere just to prove a point. In Ohio, open carry is legal for everyone without any permit or license. Even in places that have "no concealed firearms" posters, open carry is legal when not specifically forbidden. It'll cause alot of trouble for me, but people need to be less ignorant.

After the last box of Rem. .22 from wally world, I've given up on them for any shooting sport needs. I've been going to a locally owned surplus/outdoors/gunstore lately.



The WalMart here in North Dakota does the same thing,I have bought several rifles from them and its an excort to my truck everytime...........I guess it doesn't bother me....
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:32 PM

in Ohio I was performing armed security at a walmart in uniform had my duty belt on and was going to a friends the following day to target practice I had a rather lengthy arguement with the manager when he told me that he had to escort me to the door with the ammo since I had the firearm on my side and it is company policy not to give the ammo to anyone that is carrying a gun (supposidly to prevent robberies) I was there to protect the store hired by them to protect them and still to go through this?????? I mean for petes sake I already had a 9 mm loaded with a 16 rd clip and 2 more on my side in plane view I didnt need them at that time for anything its just the company policy that they are supposed to follow some do and some dont follow it though
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:52 AM

The only way I can see he would have been right is if they do what they do at the hamburg cabelas and have a nice sign on the door saying to check your carry weapons in at the front counter prior to shopping.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:19 AM

If you really think about it though a store policy such as Cabelas has only disarms the honest and does nothing to deter someone with a mindset on mayhem which is the very reason someone has a ccw to protect themselves against. It is kind of like many schools having a zero tolerance policy and a child gets into big trouble with a piece of plastic or even a drawing of a gun. Maybe Cabelas should change their policy to everyone must have a carry gun to enter the store and provide one if you forgot yours. This would clear up the problem of whether you are carrying or not. It may also help to deter someone determined to do gun mayhem as they would also know everyone is armed.
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