No Firearms Allowed?
Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:46 PM
Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:41 PM
Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:05 PM
...I ignore all signs and just carry...
I would do the same.
I've only ever seen one such sign though... on a Toys-R-Us store. They have nothing I want inside.
But, if ever I did see one on a store I wished to enter, I would imagine the only way they would ever know any better is if they have metal detectors and/or they're doing pat-downs.
PA IHEA & NBEF/IBEP Instructor
Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:56 PM
In Missouri you can be removed from the premises if caught and if a police officer is called upon the first offense, you can be fined up to $100
If within six months a second offense occurs, you can be fined up to $200 and your permit can be suspended for one year
if within one year of the first offense a third citation is issued for a like offense, you can be fined $500 and your permit revoked. Plus you won't be eligible for a new permit for a period of three years.
The key is making sure your weapon is concealed well and stays that way. For instance if it's on your belt you need to be careful reaching for things up high or bending over where your jacket, coat or shirt might ride up exsposing your weapon to anyone looking your way. A simple slip up could get costly. The point of the card is to let the buiseness owners know while they have the right to post "NO WEAPONS" you have the right to shop elsewhere and their narrow views is costing them law abiding customers and money. If we don't voice our opinions then the places posted will definately grow in numbers as self righteous, misinformed, anti gun people thumb their noses at we with CCW Permits. A while back a misinformed salesperson at Wal Mart told me I couldn't carry in Wal Mart. He'd asked if I was carrying when I asked to buy cartridges and I saw no reason to lie to him. After his being corrected by both me and the store manager I made it a point to inform him that the time people get robbed, and worse, was when they were walking from their vehicle to his place of work and when walking back out to their cars. Kinda hard to protect yourself when the firearm you are legaly licensed to carry is locked inside your car! He sheepishly agreed!
Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:23 PM
Posted 21 January 2011 - 07:18 PM
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 11:50 AM
Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:28 PM
Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:17 AM
I don't think any part of my "plan" was to plead ignorance. The key is knowing the laws,rules,regulations of your particular state, and any other state that honors your permit, in which you intend to carry. I've asked before to have this website pinned http://www.handgunlaw.us/ as it contains a lot of useful information as pertains to carry/concealed carry. As for "ignoring" signs, In Minnesota, the law is very specific about what is, and is not, a legal posting. Not much of a problem anymore, as one never sees any signs of any type prohibiting firearms. But, every state is different. Hudson,Wi initially had alot of signs the first month, now most have disappeared also
I am not sure I like the idea of knowingly ignoring the wishes of the store and entering when you know it is not allowed. And then your plan if discovered is simply play ignorance, technically lie to them, or pay the fine. I can understand your feelings and what you feel are your rights, believe me. But any time you decide to violate the law simply because you disagree with it... To me, your saying... I know the law, and I disagree with your right to forbid my CCW, because they contradict what I want
Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:07 AM
(Request... sure. They can request that all patrons wear pink dresses if they wish. It's a request. But, outright prohibit... Don't know about that.)
Update: A five minute search turned up the following for me...
Not that I don't trust the Internet to be the end-all, be-all in such matters ( ), but I will be consulting my PA gun law manual to confirm this. (Though I'm almost positive I've read it in there before, thus my general lack of concern for signs posted on store windows.) Obviously, every state is different. So, all should do their own checking.
The state of Pennsylvania does not prohibit carry in any establishment, whether it be a family restaurant, bar, or club, but it does prohibit carry in Primary and Secondary Schools and their Property and Court Houses.
Edited by Jeremiah, 11 February 2012 - 01:20 PM.
: Information Update
PA IHEA & NBEF/IBEP Instructor
Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:41 PM
Here it's illegal to carry in hospitals, schools, any government building be it state or Federal, ect. It's a missdemeaner if caught and a police officer is called. You can be fined and if it happens 3 times you lose your permit to carry.
Edited by Spirithawk, 11 February 2012 - 12:44 PM.
Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:08 PM
Personally if I had a CCW permit, and I saw a business didn't want me carrying my firearm there, I wouldn't shop there. On the flip side, I can't conceal and carry on my job and I go to some very unsavory neighborhoods all times of day and night. Never really had a problem, and hope I never do, but if the situation arises I hope it goes well for me.
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