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#1 cayugad

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 02:54 PM

I was finally able to get a large supply of BlackHorn 209 in stock at the house. Then realized I only have two rifles that actually shoot the stuff. I might have to work on that aspect. But I have also purchased some Pyrodex RS 50 grain pellets.

I have always claimed that Pyrodex can shoot as well as any powder. And I understand the following of Blackhorn 209 shooters. And I will now admit this.. I know the rifle I was shooting today likes 100 grains of Pyrodex RS. It is my Knight Disc (original model) with a lehigh conversion. The rifle wears a Nikon Pro Staff 2-7x32mm (which I believe is a great scope). But I never shot Blackhorn 209 with the new lehigh conversion in the rifle. Before it was with the orange primer jackets and it shot great.

I decided to shoot group for group Pyrodex Pellets which I have not shot in the disc VS blackhorn 209 that I briefly shot in the rifle. Checking my notes I see that the rifle is sighted in with a 300 grain .452 Hornady XTP and a MMP HPH-24. The card lists 100 grains of Pyrodex RS. And also 90 grains of BlackHorn 209 was made note of. I was glad that I had once made note of some blackhorn information with this rifle.

The target was set up. The range finder said 52 yards. That would be fine. I was using Winchester W209 primers to set the works off. Since Blackhorn 209 might like a light bullet better then the heavy 300 grain XTPs I decided to also shoot some .400 diameter 200 grain Shockwaves with the blue MMP sabots as well, to let the rifle powders work side by side.


I prepared the rifle by swabbing the bore with alcohol and then dry patched it. I also popped two primers through it to get it ready to shoot. I was kind of excited to be shooting the Black Horn 209 again and decided to let that have the honors of going first.

I loaded the 90 grains and a 200 grain shockwave, squeezed the trigger and the sound was just this horrible fizzle, small puffs of smoke and nothing !! No BOOM!! I was heart broke.

The rifle did push the 200 grain shockwave somewhere down range I thought, but decided to check. But wanting to make sure the bore was clear.. I disassembled the rifle, and checked the bore. Filthy and empty. So I took some solvent and swabbed the bore clean again. I cleaned the breech plug. And then put the rifle back together. I popped two primers, loaded up and shot this five shot group without swabbing.

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Ignition was perfect for the five shots (after the first disappointment). So not wanting to clean the rifle yet. I loaded up the 300 grain Hornady XTPs with the MMP 24 sabots. I then shot the next group... note the numbers.

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That's right.. #4 was another fizzle poof!! No Bang. That bullet i heard thump the hard ground down range. So I popped two primers to blow out what ever might be in the bore.. and shot #5 and #6. Not the worst groups I ever shot. But those two POOFS!! really did bother me. I mean what if that had been a deer and my first shot goes POOF. Although I believe the first shot was caused because I did not take the rifle apart and swab the bore clean with solvent. But #4 was a real puzzle. No reason why it was shooting so well and then just did not go off.

So I took the rifle apart, and with solvent cleaned the rifle on the bench. I dried the bore and actually got a clean white patch before I loaded the rifle to test the Pyrodex pellets.

So to be fair I started the Pyrodex RS pellet test with the 200 grain Shockwaves.

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Shot #1 hitting the bull surprised me. But remember, this bore was clean and dry.. no oil what so ever. The next four were actually grouping as I suspected they might.. with the pellets. I was swabbing between shots with the Simple Green and then dry patches.

I then broke out the 300 grain Hornady XTPs to try with the pellets. Here is where it got exciting.

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As I sat at the bench looking through the scope shot after shot, I could not believe what this rifle was doing with these pellets..

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I would take a group like that any day of the week. 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets and 300 grain XTPs might be a darn good hunting load.

Now I will admit.. the Blackhorn charge might need some tweaking and I intend to do that. But in a shot to shot comparison so far... Pyrodex is looking pretty good.


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#2 PA RIDGE RUNNER

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 07:16 PM

Good shooting. That is the first time I have heard of the Blackhorn doing the fizzle flop. When it happened during the shooting I would not know that to think either. Did the primer sound good, if so I definately would suspect the powder.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 08:21 PM

The primer sounded fine. The very first fizzle could have been my fault in the way I prepared the rifle. That is just a thought. But the second one just shocked me. Out of ten shots I have two fizzles?? That is not good odds. I want to shoot a lot more.
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#4 PA RIDGE RUNNER

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 08:56 PM

Other than a bad batch of powder I have no idea what may have caused the miss fire or under fire. For most of my shooting I swab between each shot and have never had what I perceived to be a underpower load and I use real bp. I most often use just what you did, alcohol, to swab before the first shot and after each shot. The rifle does sit a few minutes between loads to be sure it is dried out after two dry patches. When it happened on the first shot I would rule out a clogged or obstructed breech plug so the only two culprits are the primer and the powder. Boy the things that make you go Hmmmm.
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#5 knifeman

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:36 PM

i have guns that i run the blackhorn through and it does very good,tight groups but i have found that blackhorn will gum up the barrel very bad after just a few shots and thats always been the case whin i have a missfire.




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