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When did you get your first BB gun?

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#1 TerryfromAR

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:27 AM

The wife and I recently engaged in a debate about what age our son Luke should be before he gets his first BB gun. My idea was that at 4 he's at an age where if I were to get him a Red Ryder or a Daisy Buck, it would help to start concreting in the rules of SAFELY handling firearms. (Education and proper handling= fewer/no accidents). Her opinion is "No he's too young, he won't know the difference between a real gun and a toy gun, if he hurts himself i'm blaming you" etc........ My question is. Who would you side with in this debate if it were a national debate on whether starting a child at 4 with a BB gun should be a punishable offense. "Start 'em young, teach 'em right, keep 'em safe", or "Too Young too young too young."
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:51 AM

Just so ya'll know, I'm not using ya'll to win an arguement just trying to get opinions now because it's been settled and he's got the Buck waiting in a hiding spot for tomorrow along with the pedal car........ HEHEHEHEHE
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:22 PM

I believe its the same as mentored youth hunting. It depends on the child in question, not a flat line age bracket. I dont remember how old I was to shoot but as a guess its around 7 or 8. My mom was always against guns, couldnt even have a water gun. But I lived in the country, dairy land & my friends all were sportsmen so I grew up learning to shoot & hunt with them. Though mom didnt know about it until an incident with a new kid in town & a bb gun left me in the emergency room having surgery. But thats another story. My daughter is going to be 5 on may 7th. She already says she wants to grow up to be a hunter & has asked to shoot my crossbow with me sometime. I want to say yes to her but my wife & mother in law would trump me. I dont own a bb gun but would like one to help with urban pest control. Now that I dont have a compound bow anymore, a bb gun would be the next best thing.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:45 PM

WT my realm of thought is, if he's touching it in the next couple of years I'm gonna be right on top of him. When he's not supposed to be touching it, it's gonna be put up where he can't get to it. A Daisy Buck is far from the realm of say the new 1000+fps spring piston setups they have nowadays, and is gonna be a good trainer for him. We're gonna shoot it when we go out to Dad's tomorrow and the first thing that's getting shot is a well shaken can of Dr. Pepper..... If he sees what the BB gun does to that can of DP it's gonna stick with him. I've been working on the safety talk with him for a couple of months. He can answer a few questions that I've been drilling him on and I think he'll be ok. With the way I was raised (Loaded guns in various locations throughout the house that weren't touched without permission for fear of being beated to death) and my military training, I am very gun safety oriented and feel as though education is the key to safety. Basically if he knows the damage it can do and how to transport and use it safely, there is no excuse for an accident. Accidents happen, but the risk is greatly reduced by following some of the simplest rules that over time become second nature..... I can't even tell you how long it took before I could hand someone a firearm without doing an "inspection arms" and making sure there wasn't a round in the chamber after bootcamp... LOL
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

I have to agree with "it depends on the child" statement. Some are ready at a very early age and some are not. It also depends on adult supervision which I believe you have covered. Just set up in your mind what you are going to do and stick to it. It may help to have an expressed punishment already discussed if your rules are violated.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:28 PM

Paul, I've got it planned out well. We got out while we were at Dad's today and shot it a little bit at about 5 yards. The buck isn't quite as accurate as I remember, maybe partially due to the fact the stock is too short for me to put it in my shoulder... But the Dr Pepper demonstration went off the way I planned.... When the BB hit it, it went into a spiral and actually kinda suprised me. Luke's reaction was "aw man, that's bad..." I explained that the damage done to the can is what can happen to him if he doesn't respect his gun. His reponse was "OK Daddy I'll be careful." So I sat the can up a few more times and we made swiss cheese out of it. Haven't been able to figure out if he's southpaw or not...... he alternates. I had to help him with sight alignment so he could hit it, but after a few modifications in how I was helping him hold it we got about 75% accuracy. He knows Daddy doesn't play when it comes to guns, and I've explained the consequences for misuse both from the actual accident or misuse and what's gonna happen when I find out.
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:32 PM

I have two older brothers and they got their hands on one well before I did. I know they are trouble eventually for any kid if not totally 100 % supervised with it. I have four brothers and everyone of us got into trouble shooting things that belonged to the neighbors or our own stuff causing some property damage.

Edited by Rowdy Yates, 11 April 2012 - 02:33 PM.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:29 AM

Rowdy, I know..... luckily mine was confined to beer bottles old mason jars, my G.I. Joe's my Ninja Turtles,<--(with the buck) a few cottonmouths(with, couple of copperheads<--(with a more powerful bb gun later on)
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

When I was a boy, I too, started out with cans with my friends bb gun. Then we'd go plinkin birds of the phone pole wires. When a new kid moved into the neighborhood, he wanted to come too. He had a high powered ar-14 pump air rifle, It looked like an ar-15. I was using an old lever action bb gun that barely had any power to it. Well he tells me to run we're playing bb war. I refused but he got really agressive with me and I wasnt sticking around to the count of 10 to find out if he was bluffing. He wasnt. Long story short, I got hit, just below my left eye. He had it pumped up high, it went thru the orbital bone & stopped 1/4" from my brain according to er doctor at grandview hospital. They flew a specialist in from harrisburg to do the surgery. Funny thing was that other then the throbbing from the bone. I was fine. It missed the optical nerve & there was minimal bleeding. I thought it'd had hit bone & bounced out. I was fine till going into surgery when I was worried he's get a involuntary muscle spasm or need to sneeze & end up blinding me or killing me while I was on the table. Im 36 now, I still have a slight scar and my one eye brow doesnt act like the other one. Needless to say, I was afraid of the kid at this point & being it was a small country town, I lied to the state police who were investigating. The truth came out when my friend who was with slipped up in front of my mom. I never saw that kid again after the state police approached the kids dad. I got grounded for a month.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:56 PM

Waited awhile to post on this. I like guns, big guns,little guns, in between guns. I have carry permits. I carry gun/guns all the time. That being said, I think we need to let little kids be little kids. Plenty of time to teach them hunting and shooting, and what killing is all about, when they are older. Father/child time doesn't "need" to include gun time and it's rules and regulations. Now, no kid comes with an instruction manual, you do what you think is right, I'm good with it, not that it matter one wit what I think, but I wouldn't have bought a 4 year old a BB gun.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:15 PM

WT, yikes, That's something I hope I never have to go through with my kids. Which is why I feel teaching them to be responsible is so important. In this modern time of kids sitting around playing video games and not going outside I don't want my son to end up missing out on some of the things I grew up with and be another overweight kid that doesn't know what it is to get outside and have REAL fun. We cannot control what other people teach their children, but we can educate ours in responsibility and give them the keys to be active, healthy, well adjusted adults.

Mudduck, that's what I love about this board. A difference of opinion doesn't lead to the typical close-minded "you're wrong, I'm right, you're an idiot" arguments that other boards have. Here we can discuss things like rational adults. I ASKED for opinions. You giving me yours provided more feedback and I appreciate it. Right now the BB gun is in a location that I have to have a step ladder to access it, so the chances of it being handled without my knowledge are minimal at best.(or worst depending on how you interpret it) I take my son fishing, take him outside to play with things other than the BB gun, I just thought it would be good to have that in the mix as well. He's a smart kid and as long as I'm right there with him he follows instruction well. I'm also thinking about other places where the introduction of structure will come in handy, such as when he starts pre-school later this year and when he starts Kindergarten next year. If I provide a solid foundation of structure with something fun, then dealing with the structure of school won't be as much of a culture shock for him.
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